Why Bet Revolution doesn't deserve your business - Read Thread For Dissenting Opinion

[Sports Scientist]

Why Bet Revolution doesn't deserve your business.

Until very recently, I had never placed a bet or made a deposit on Bet Revolution. I have a select few books that get the majority of my action because I feel safe having my money there and I have used them for years. Getting small contest payouts at new, smaller sites gives me the opportunity to try these sites out and see if I am interested in entrusting them with larger amounts of my money.

Recently I placed 2nd in a weekly NCAA Football contest, which gave me a $75 bonus account at Bet Revolution with an 8x rollover requirement. (I have no interest in giving free advertising to the website hosting the contests so I will not mention the site by name publicly.) The stipulations of the prize money are stated on the contest site as below:



$75 for 2nd place, 8x Rollover, Max Win $150 with no deposit.

The day I won the $75, I contacted the site that runs the contest, just to make sure the requirements to cash out were cut and dried.



Highlights of this email to remember:

-I spell out my intent to complete the rollover, and then cash out an amount greater than $150.
-Contest Manager explains what I would do to complete a cashout in this scenario.

There were more emails sent between me and Contest Manager to further clarify cashout requirements, such as the minimum deposit required after clearing rollover to allow a successful cashout, and the hold time for such a deposit before a cashout could be allowed.

On Dec. 19, 2011, the rollover requirement had been met, and my account sat at a balance of medium 3 digits. I sent an email to Bet Revolution asking how I could proceed with a cashout. A full business day passed, and on Dec. 20, 2011 at 5 PM I called their toll free number. I spoke to a CS representative named Robert, who told me he was happy to process a cashout for $150 and "trim the excess." This is a questionable term I have never heard used by a sportsbook employee. Only when pressed, he went on to explain that "trim the excess" meant any cash won in my account above $150 would be confiscated after I requested a cashout. He explained that in the rules it states that I have to make a deposit before winning a contest prize, if I want to cash out more than $150.



Again, the rules of the contest, in which there is no mention of a requirement to deposit prior to the contest being won. Also recall that I had discussed my intention to deposit *after* clearing the rollover with Contest Manager.

After the phone call with CS rep Robert I spoke to Contest Manager via email, repeating what I had been told, shocked at the completely different set of rules that were suddenly being used. At this point Contest Manager agrees to speak to Bet Revolution on my behalf in an attempt to secure the funds that I had won which were rightfully mine. Here is the email reply I received from Contest Manager.



Note the sentence, "You should be entitled to all winnings if a deposit is made and rollover meet [sic]" which would lead me to believe that this is what is normally allowed of contest winners.

At the same time I received an email from Bet Revolution, basically affirming what I had been told by CS rep Robert on the phone.



Things to note:

-In this email, they say that there is a max win of $150 because there was no deposit made during the winning week. In the phone call with CS rep Robert the same night, he told me I had to deposit before winning the contest. Their CS staff doesn't even know what the rules are.
-The phrase "place your withdrawal or continue enjoying the benefits of the revolution" sounds like an ultimatum. They have already said I am not entitled to more than $150 in winnings no matter how much I have actually won, or what my account balance is. If I decide to not withdraw and instead "continue to enjoy the benefits of revolution" what happens then? I keep betting but even if I win I can't cash out anything above $150. If I do cash out all the money above $150 disappears. What exactly is there to enjoy in that? This is insane.
-They link to the contest rules and conditions, which are the same ones I have shown twice in this post. There is no mention of a requirement to deposit before the contest or within a week. There is only a mention of depositing within a week to take advantage of a special bonus.



On Dec. 22, I hear back from Contest Manager. Bet Revolution has told him I am still only eligible for a maximum $150 cashout, no matter how much money I have won.

Within 4 hours of receiving this email from Contest Manager, the money above $150 is taken from my Bet Revolution account. Without notice, without warning, without an email from Bet Revolution or anyone, money is taken from my account. I had previously been told by CS rep Robert that they would "trim the excess" when I requested a cashout. I had not requested a cashout. Bet Revolution took it upon themselves to take the money from my account anyway.



Now I'm pissed. I email Contest Manager and let him know I'm not happy about any of this. He assures me that he's on my side, he fought for me to have access to all the money that I won, and shares with me an email from his contact at Bet Revolution that contains some very questionable, accusatory overtones.



Keep in mind I am a brand new customer who has never had any dealings with this book. And this is how I am viewed because I was fortunate enough to clear a rollover requirement? "Taking advantage" of a situation? All I did was clear the rollover and inquire about a cashout. "Clearly against the rules of the contest" - a completely ridiculous sentence when you consider that the rules are as convoluted and vague as they are.
More importantly than any of this is that Bet Revolution keeps referring to a rule that does not exist - a requirement to deposit before the contest or within a week of winning the contest. Nowhere in the rules is this stated! Only is it stated that you must deposit by the following Saturday to take advantage of a special bonus!

At this point I remind Contest Manager of our initial email contact, how I specifically asked him about depositing after clearing the rollover in order to make a cashout over $150, and how no mention was made of a timeframe requirement to do so. Contest Manager suggests that I contact Bet Revolution personally to find a resolution to this situation. Contest Manager also says that he will once again email his contact at Bet Revolution on my behalf.
5 days later I have heard nothing from anyone involved and email Contest Manager. He replies with a quoted email from Bet Revolution and the accusation tone is amplified even further.



Again, find Bet Revolution using phrases that paint me as some sort of criminal, and portray themselves as some sort of victim. He says I have tried to "circunvent [sic] the rules." I have shown "intention and premeditation"? He also says the "rules are VERY straightforward" which is ridiculous. Not even Bet Revolution staff can stick to the same story on what the rules are. On the phone Robert tells me I needed to deposit before winning the contest. Within a few hours an email tells me I had up to a week after winning the contest to deposit.

Contest Manager has clearly done all he can, so he gives me a contact at Bet Revolution named William. I make him aware of the entire situation beginning to end, and also inform him that I have seen the accusatory emails sent by him or his co-workers. William assures me I have done nothing wrong (hilarious) and everything is "normal procedure" and that I have misunderstood the rules - rules which Bet Revolution will stretch and twist to fit what purpose serves them. William offers me a wire transfer cashout for $150 and Bet Revolution will cover the fees. I refuse, and inform him that I will be taking this issue public.

If Bet Revolution is going to be a cheapskate book about a mid 3 figures sum, imagine what "rules" they will selectively enforce to part you from a substantial account balance. Bet Revolution doesn't deserve your business.

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CLIFF NOTES:

-Poster wins $75 from contest, completes rollover, turns it into mid 3 figures
-Poster has never had any dealings with Bet Revolution before
-Bet Revolution cites unstated rule to refuse Poster cashout above $150
-Bet Revolution exchanges emails with contest management portraying Poster as having malicious intent although having done nothing wrong
-Bet Revolution takes mid 3 digits from Poster's account without notice and without a cashout being requested
-Bet Revolution is a cheapskate book that should not be trusted with any sum of money

[Louie]

First of all, lets me clear up something before I responsd; This contest was not run here. I would have been sure to clear up any terms and requirements. The contest that Bet Revolution ran here went very smooth and all players were awarded prizes as promised.

Second, I would like to mention that Bet Revolution has been an excellent sponsor of this site and has always taken are of our players. We've referred over 150 new players to this book thus far and haven't had a single complaint of non-payment. I've seen this same message posted at other forums by SportsScientist and I don't think it is completely fair to our sponsor.

After reading the first part of the message and seeing this; "$75 for 2nd place, 8x Rollover, Max Win $150 with no deposit," I could already tell where this was going....

It looks to me like the forum did indeed put those terms in the rules, as it does say "Max Win $150 with no deposit".

You said to take note of this statement;
"You should be entitled to all winnings if a deposit is made and rollover meet [sic]."

You did not make a deposit and it sounds to me like its more the contest managers fault for not clearing this up before hand and make the rules of the contest more prevalent. But, in his defense, he did include the terms "Max Win $150 with no deposit". I don't know how you can interpret that any other way.

If you had made a deposit before the contest began, you would have been entitled to all winnings. Since you did not, you were only entitled to a maximum of $150 cash out. I think you are being rather unfair to them. They give you a $75 prize and allowed you to double you money and cashout without ever depositing a dime. They also met the terms of the contest and awarded you a check for your winnings. I don't think they should be slandered for being generous enough to sponsor a contest.

I also personally inquired about this post and they showed me the site where the contest was run. It does indeed say "2nd: $75 Cash (8x RO + Max Win $150 with no Deposit)" and they are still running the contest with the same rules.

[Sports Scientist]

They took money from my account without warning or notice. Apparently hoping I wouldn't notice that it was gone.
I wanted to make a deposit. They took the money from my account first.
The day I won money in the contest I was inquiring about making a deposit. That is the first email that was screencapped in my post.
The rules state: 'If a player makes a deposit of $150 or more you will become eligbile to receive $500 as a 1st place prize if you place 1st any week all season. Also you will receive the standard 1st time/Re-load bonus for the contest of 50% CASH Bonus. Deposits must be made by the end of the day on Saturday game day'; It does not say 'You can never deposit for the rest of your life unless you depost by the end of the day on Saturday game day' Nor does it say 'You can win a million dollars but unless you deposit by the end of the day on Saturday game day you are only entitled to $150 dollars' In fact it says absolutely nothing about having your $$$$ limited if you do not deposit WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME. The time frame "by the end of the day Saturday" is clearly pertaining to the 50% CASH BONUS and the $500 for first place prize which is mentioned immediately before this "end of saturday" thing. Bet Rev is trying to take this end of saturday rule and apply it across the board to all deposits and to say that it is a stretching of the rules is KIND.

I guess it is easy for you to now say, "oh look you never deposited" now that they have STOLEN ALL THE MONEY OUT OF MY ACCOUNT EXCEPT FOR $150.

This is how you deal with a new customer? You are literally losing any chance of having return business from someone when you do this. I always thought the point of owning a business was success and through growth you achieve success.

There is a reason Bet Rev is a D+ rated book and it isn't excellence in bookmaking.

[Sports Scientist]

I also personally inquired about this post and they showed me the site where the contest was run. It does indeed say "2nd: $75 Cash (8x RO + Max Win $150 with no Deposit)".

Dude, Louie, Jesus CHrist man.

I screencapped the rules in the beginning of my post.

I WANTED TO MAKE A DEPOSIT. THEY TOOK THE MONEY >$150 OUT OF MY ACCOUNT. I *DID* *NOT* REQUEST A CASHOUT.

[Louie]

SS,

You had to make the deposit BEFORE you started playing the contest. You can't win the contest and then decide, "I want to scratch the max win rule. So, I am going to deposit" You had to make the deposit before hand. I really think you out of line on this one.

If you don't make the deposit before the contest, you can only double you prize and cashout. That's the bottom line.

If you think those garbage ratings at SBR mean anything, you dead wrong. If you think a book can't pay for an A+ rating, think again.

-Louie

[Louie]

Obviously any player who won a prize and completed the rollover (and had over $150 remaining) is going to deposit after the fact. Think about it.

If you had shown the book some commitment (and decided to go for the better prizes) by depositing (BEFORE THE CONTEST), you would have been able to turn that money into any amount and cashed it all out. But, you didn't, you just wanted the free money an didn't want to deposit. In this case, there is a max win of $150.

Bet Revolution doesn't owe you anything and they handled this situation correctly. They were kind enough to sponsor a contest and cashed out your $150 (which was a max win for any player who didn't make a deposit BEFORE THE CONTEST). If anything, the deserve your priase for meeting their contest obligations and taking care of you.

What else do you want from them? They don't deserve this.

[Sports Scientist]

SS,

You had to make the deposit BEFORE you started playing the contest. You can't win the contest and then decide, "I want to scratch the max win rule. So, I am going to deposit" You had to make the deposit before hand. I really think you out of line on this one.

If you don't make the deposit before the contest, you can only double you prize and cashout. That's the bottom line.

Louie, you haven't read my entire post. This is painfully obvious. So I think you are the one out of line, because you are uninformed.

BetRev CS phone agent said I had to deposit before contest - which is what you said
William at BetRev is trying to say I had to deposit within a week of winning the contest. Which is not what you said. So they don't even know what their own damn rules are.
The rules they keep going back to say absolutely nothing about A TIMEFRAME in which I have to make a deposit IN ORDER TO CASHOUT MORE THAN $150. THE ONLY TIMEFRAME is regarding the 50% CASH BONUS AND $500 FIRST PLACE PRIZE. They are trying to apply this one week clause in the rules to an area in which it does not apply. IT IS NOT STATED IN THE RULES.

If you are totally cool with books making up the rules as they go because they are a sponsor that's pretty messed up.

I had no idea they were a sponsor here. I posted this all over the place because I don't let a book screw me out of $10 let alone $100 or $500. That's not how I roll.

If you want to delete the thread because they are a sponsor go right ahead but your bias is showing here bigtime. You clearly did not read my entire original post. Depositing before the contest is 100% not a rule.

[Louie]

Louie, you haven't read my entire post. This is painfully obvious. So I think you are the one out of line, because you are uninformed.

BetRev CS phone agent said I had to deposit before contest - which is what you said
William at BetRev is trying to say I had to deposit within a week of winning the contest. Which is not what you said. So they don't even know what their own damn rules are.
The rules they keep going back to say absolutely nothing about A TIMEFRAME in which I have to make a deposit IN ORDER TO CASHOUT MORE THAN $150. THE ONLY TIMEFRAME is regarding the 50% CASH BONUS AND $500 FIRST PLACE PRIZE. They are trying to apply this one week clause in the rules to an area in which it does not apply. IT IS NOT STATED IN THE RULES.

If you are totally cool with books making up the rules as they go because they are a sponsor that's pretty messed up.

I had no idea they were a sponsor here. I posted this all over the place because I don't let a book screw me out of $10 let alone $100 or $500. That's not how I roll.

If you want to delete the thread because they are a sponsor go right ahead but your bias is showing here bigtime. You clearly did not read my entire original post. Depositing before the contest is 100% not a rule.

I read your post and as I said it was more the contest managers fault for not making this more clear.

However....you really want them to allow you to deposit AFTER THE FACT even though the rules state Max Win $150 for no deposit?

As they say on Monday Night Football....C'mon man...

[Louie]

If you want to delete the thread because they are a sponsor go right ahead but your bias is showing here bigtime. You clearly did not read my entire original post. Depositing before the contest is 100% not a rule.

I'd be less likely to delete it if you didn't post the exact same post on other forums already (as having duplicate content isn't good for search engine). I saw the same thread on the RX and the reaction is the same from the members there. Bet Rev. doesn't deserve this from you.

[Sports Scientist]

Speaking of C'Mon Man...........

"If you had shown the book some commitment..."

"What else do you want from them? They don't deserve this."

Louie is this a girl I am trying to bang or an illegally operating offshore sportsbook

Just saying those are some pretty cringeworthy moments for you

Obviously you have made up your mind. Delete it if you want. It doesn't matter to me.

[Sports Scientist]

Bet Rev. doesn't deserve this from you.

They have been dicking me around...

they essentially called me a criminal - why? because I didn't bust trying to meet my rollover

So now I am plotting against them... by requesting a cashout? Last time I checked if you win money betting on sports the bookie pays you

These guys don't deserve any respect from me or anyone else as far as I am concerned. They treat their customers like crap from everything I can see

[Louie]

They have been dicking me around...

they essentially called me a criminal - why? because I didn't bust trying to meet my rollover

So now I am plotting against them... by requesting a cashout? Last time I checked if you win money betting on sports the bookie pays you

These guys don't deserve any respect from me or anyone else as far as I am concerned. They treat their customers like crap from everything I can see

I think you're still missing the point and getting off the subject matter. I don't see anywhere on your thread where they said you were a criminal and now you are putting words in their mouth and saying things that are not true.

If that were the case (and they assumed you were a criminal as you say), why would they provide the max payout of $150 for the contest to a "criminal"?

Nobody said you're plotting against them. It just seems you either

(a) don't seem to get the gist of the contest rules
or
(b) Don't care about the max win and you think you should be able to cashout beyond the listed "max win" because the contest operator didn't list the deadline on the deposit clearly enough. Obviously, anyone would want to deposit AFTER turning the winnings into more then $150 and meeting the rollover. There would be no point in listing the max win then.

This whole thing is kind of ridiculous. Sure, if you win at sports betting you should be paid (BetRevolution pays their players too). But, you didn't win money by simply "betting on sports" ;like you say. You never deposited and risked you own money. This isn't the case. You were risking free money that you won in as a free prize on a contest; a contest that stated there is a $150 max win when you don't make a deposit. You didn't make the deposit before the contest. End of story.

I am sure the books you trust so much with your business don't even sponsor contests on other sites; and this is the exact reason a lot of books don't. They don't want their reputation ruined because a site operator didn't explain the rules clearly enough. But, the MAX WIN FOR NO DEPOSIT should be clear enough. If they allowed players to deposit (and scratch the max win) after getting their prize, meeting the rollover, and turning the winnings into an amount more then the max win, there would be NO POINT AT ALL in listing the max win.

Again, I am sorry, but I feel you are a slightly out of line on this one. I don't think your vendetta against this company is fair.

I would also like to add that I don't know how you didn't know BetRevolution was a sponsor of this site. Their banner is listed at the top of every forum page along with a link to their review. They've sponsored contests on this forum and I have posted about them many times. I have share many opinions about this book and players at this book have discussed them in the past.

Also, the feedback I have gotten from all of our players has been excellent and players are always paid. I think BetRevolution has been more then fair to you...as have I listening to your issue and contacting them about it.

The forum has always been fair to you and you're ripping our sponsor over a contest rules issue that is more the contest managers fault then Bet Rev's.

[Louie]

Louie is this a girl I am trying to bang or an illegally operating offshore sportsbook

It's a company that has given you FREE money and met their contest obligations. When was the last time you bookie did that for you?

Just saying those are some pretty cringeworthy moments for you

Sorry, but I just don't think you are being reasonable.

Obviously you have made up your mind. Delete it if you want. It doesn't matter to me.

Obviously, you won't take a step back and look at the big picture here.
As far as the thread goes, I would prefer people read it. The replies over at the RX seem to share my opinion. But, they don't take the time to explain things as I have done.

I know one thing; I wouldn't be happy if I were the site owner who took all the time to set this contest up. I would be rather annoyed that even after you got $150 in free money (the amount that was listed as the MAX WIN), you're still not happy.

Regardless of their status as a supporter of this site, I don't think I would think any less of them if I read this entire thread. I would probably be more inclined to play with them.

[Sports Scientist]

Yeah, whatever. Agree to disagree. They said I conspired against them in the emails to the contest guy, that I had "premeditation" -

Louie you see only what you want to see in this matter

How did I not know Bet Rev is a sponsor - I have a slow connection and I turn off images

Agree to disagree. You want to validate your point of view because of one or 2 lunatics on another forum, that's weak as hell.

You keep trying to make it sound like they are just giving away money. I won the money, I won MORE money. I beat their rollover. I had more money in my account, they TOOK IT FROM ME, without even an email to let me know. That's shady.

Agree to disagree. I'm done talking about it. I did more than enough to explain my point of view in the original post. You want to keep arguing about it, you're gonna be awful lonely.

[Sports Scientist]

Regardless of their status as a supporter of this site, I don't think I would think any less of them if I read this entire thread. I would probably be more inclined to play with them.

Good for you. Multiple people on other forums have said they will never play Bet Rev after reading my post. Mission accomplished. I don't bend over for anyone or any book. You steal from me and I'll get mine eventually.

[bpd67]

SS,

I read this entire thread and also agree with Louie. First off, congrats on the win but he's right about the rules. Louie always lists the req for his contests clealry, sometimes there is a deposit req for a larger prize with less rollover req that can be made up to the start of the contest. Take your $150 and move on.

[Louie]

They said I conspired against them in the emails to the contest guy, that I had "premeditation".

First of all, I think you're still taking this the wrong way. The forum owner was nice enough to share a conversation he had with the book (and you betray him by posting that all over the web). Clearly, he doesn't feel the book did wrong as he is still running the contest with the same rules. He can also be as loose as he wants with the rules and ask the book for the full payout on your behalf, but, he's not the one who paying out. The book is.

They never said you were a criminal or a thief. They were simply saying that you had plenty of opportunity to make the deposit, but you decided to wait until you got your prize money, rolled it over, and turned it into $100 over the max win amount. You knew there was a max win for players who didn't make a deposit. Did you really think that meant you could make the deposit after you won the prize, bet it, rolled over your money to an amount that is larger then the max win? If you did, that's the contest manager's fault for not making that clear. But, if you weren't sure, you could have cleared it up with him by simply asking the question before you started the contest.

Instead, you just said nothing, waited until you got your money, rolled it over and turned it into an amount over the max win. In that way, it was premeditated as you could have cleared that up before the contest. Instead, you took a shot at the book, hoping they would see it your way and give you all the money on a technicality.

Would you have even made the deposit if you hadn't won the contest and turned the $75 prize money into an amount larger then the max win. The answer is "no". Obviously any player would want to deposit to cancel out the max win. Again, there would be no point in having the max win otherwise. If you didn't want to lose the rest of the money, you should have cashed out at $150 (once the rollover was met).

Louie you see only what you want to see in this matter.

That's not true at all. How quickly you forget that this is a forum that has taken good care of you in the past. I even sided with you on a rules dispute in the blowout contest because of a technicality (and extended the contest for two more weeks), which I didn't think it was warranted. I see where you are upset. But, you really have to step back and look at the big picture here.

You keep trying to make it sound like they are just giving away money. I won the money, I won MORE money. I beat their rollover. I had more money in my account, they TOOK IT FROM ME, without even an email to let me know. That's shady

THEY ARE GIVING MONEY AWAY! What do you think a contest sponsor does?

And, You keep saying they "took your money". Tell me how they took money from you when they sent you the "max win" amount listed in the rules of the contest? If the max win is $150 for players who didn't make a deposit, only $150 if that money is yours. You never deposited a dime. The book didn't cheat you at all.

You joined a FREE contest, won a FREE $75 account (THAT CAME WITH A ROLLOVER REQUIREMENT AND A MAX WIN....). That's the bottom line. If you didn't want the max win, you should of deposited before hand (or at least sometime during the contest where they would have taken care of you and scratched the max win).

Note: This also is a contest that might not even have been there is BetRev didn't sponsor it. So, you wouldn't even have the free $150 if it wasn't for them. That's giving away money.

Again, this is the really the thanks you give them for giving you $150 and meeting the contest obligations?

Good for you. Multiple people on other forums have said they will never play Bet Rev after reading my post. Mission accomplished. I don't bend over for anyone or any book. You steal from me and I'll get mine eventually.

No...really...Good for you. Congrats. You did you job of hurting the reputation of a book that did nothing but give you free money by sponsoring a FREE contest at a forum and paid you out the MAX WIN (again, the max win that was in the rules of the contest). Again, that site is still running the contest with the same rules. Did you go an trash that site's reputation as well for continuing with the same rules?

You want to validate your point of view because of one or 2 lunatics on another forum, that's weak as hell.

First of all, I validate my point of view based on the hundreds of contests I have run in a past (many of which you participated in the past). I validate my point based on the facts and the rules of the contest. Yes, they say the deposit must be made before Saturday. If you took that the wrong way, that's you fauly. You take your FREE (yes, FREE) $150 and move on.

Also, it's about 5 or 6 guys (that seem perfectly rational) on therx who were are trying to explain the same thing to you.

Here's the thread; Why Bet Revolution doesn't deserve your business..

BTW, I see you have 1,447 posts at therx (while you have only 200 here). If they're a bunch of lunatics, makes me wonder why you even post there.

How did I not know Bet Rev is a sponsor - I have a slow connection and I turn off images

Again, there is also a text link to the site at the top of forums. In the rules of the thread it says "The Sponsors Are Listed At The Top of the Site". But, your connection is fast enough to have over 1,400 posts at the RX and to play at every free contest on the web. It was fast enough to dig through all the rules. You also had no problem posting the images into this thread. Perhaps it's just that you didn't care as you didn't think it was relevant.

Honestly, if it were me and it was my business I probably wouldn't even send you the $150 at this point if your just going to continue go all over the web, shitting on the hand that fed you. I am pretty sure even a lot of the other books on the web (including the SBR A+ books that you trust so much) wouldn't either. These books sponsor contests for publicity and you really are treating them like dirt. I give them credit for having this kind of patience and paying you out at all. Think about it. You're trashing them either way. Why even give you the $150 payment?

At this point, I have to say that am really disappointed in you here SS. I really thought you had a lot more class then this and were a reasonable guy. I thought there was a chance that you were actually interested in being a part of this community. I also assumed that you weren't just interested in free contests; which is a big reason I sided with you on the blowout contest rules (while everyone else thought it was over). It's starting to look to me like you post at as many forums as possible (copy and pasting your posts), looking to meet posting requirements to play in free contests and get as much free contest money that you can. You have over 1400 posts at TheRX, but then you call them lunatics over here. That also makes me wonder if you'll have no problem going on another boards and calling me a lunatic.

I'm done with this matter as I have defended our sponsor because they didn't deserve this from you at all. You inability to be rational is completely evidant in this thread as well as the one at TheRX. TheRX doesn't even have them as a sponsor and all those guys don't see it your way either (that has to tell you something). This is a forum that has done nothing at all but treat you with respect during your 250 posts and when you won any contests prizes. BetRev met their obligations which is the bottom line and only $150 of that was yours to cashout.

I read this entire thread and also agree with Louie. First off, congrats on the win but he's right about the rules. Louie always lists the req for his contests clealry, sometimes there is a deposit req for a larger prize with less rollover req that can be made up to the start of the contest. Take your $150 and move on.

BPD,

I didn't even run this contest. This is a contest that was run at another forum. But, that contest manager also clearly stated the rules of the contest. You try so hard to please people, but some just don't want to be reasonable.